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Created by Esther L (SIA) on 2012-01-06 02:02:46 Back to Topics

ICH opt out airlines

Hi SIS

I would like to clarify the following: that were sent by SIS bulletin Dec 2011 Issue 1

"Effective from April 2012, airlines that have migrated to SIS will have the option to provide a 6 month notice to the ICH that they are opting out from the ICH Web. Following the 6 month notice period, billings to ICH Members that have opted out of ICH Web will have to be submitted through SIS. It is important that all Members of the ICH make their plans accordingly."

Example

1) X airline has migrated to SIS in April 2012. How does X airline give a 6 month notice?

How does other airlines eg SQ knows that X airline has given a 6 months notice?

2) What do you mean by migrated ? Does it mean full migration for 4 classes of categories, Pax , Cargo, Misc, Uatp ? or only 1 category is sufficient?

3) After 6 months, ie Sept 2012, all billings to X has to be submitted through SIS.

But meanwhile, within 6 months, is it still true that if SQ receives a billing, rejection, correspondences via SIS from X, and we wish to reject it, we need to continue all rejections and correspondences via SIS?

THanks
Esther Low
Replied by Ashley H on 2012-01-10 16:59:18

Hi Esther,

I will get back to you shortly on your questions above.

Thanks in advance for your patience.

Rgds,
Ashley

Replied by Gudrun G (Lufthansa Cargo) on 2012-02-17 07:46:17
Dear Ashley,
do you have any new information?
I share the question with Esther.
Thanks for your response,
Gudrun


From:
Posted: 1/11/2012 9:16 AM
Subject: ICH opt out airlines

Hi Esther,

I will get back to you shortly on your questions above.

Thanks in advance for your patience.

Rgds,
Ashley

Replied by Shankar S on 2012-02-27 23:07:10
Dear Ashley
 
Your reply will help us to take decision. Appreciate your early reply.
 
Rgds
 
Shankar
Emirates Airline
 
 
From:
Posted: 2/17/2012 7:46 AM
Subject: ICH opt out airlines

Dear Ashley,
do you have any new information?
I share the question with Esther.
Thanks for your response,
Gudrun


From:
Posted: 1/11/2012 9:16 AM
Subject: ICH opt out airlines

Hi Esther,

I will get back to you shortly on your questions above.

Thanks in advance for your patience.

Rgds,
Ashley

Replied by Ashley H on 2012-03-06 14:33:59

Dear all,

Apologies for the delay in providing clarifications to this query. Please find the IATA’s responses as follows:

1)     X airline has migrated to SIS in April 2012. How does X airline give a 6 month notice?

Written notice is to be sent to the ICH. further details on this process will be provided via an ICH Circulars.

 

2)     How does other airlines eg SQ knows that X airline has given a 6 months notice?

The ICH will issue circulars to announce the notice period and the effective period when transactions by / against this member are to only go to SIS.

 

3)     What do you mean by migrated ? Does it mean full migration for 4 classes of categories, Pax , Cargo, Misc, Uatp ? or only 1 category is sufficient?

The rule states that can be applied once an airline is fully migrated within a billing category, not necessarily with all billing categories. For example, if an airline fully migrated for Pax, but not fully migrated for Misc, after 1 April 2012 can send to ICH a 6 month notice that they will withdraw from ICH Web for PAX billing category. So a carrier can choose to withdraw from ICH web any or all billing categories if it is fully migrated.

 

4)     After 6 months, ie Sept 2012, all billings to X has to be submitted through SIS. But meanwhile, within 6 months, is it still true that if SQ receives a billing, rejection, correspondences via SIS from X, and we wish to reject it, we need to continue all rejections and correspondences via SIS?

Yes, once a transaction starts in SIS it must continue in SIS as well.

Hope that clarifies.

Rgds,

Ashley

From: LOW Esther
Posted At: January-06-12 2:03 AM
Posted To: SIS Forums - Requirements & Functionality
Conversation: ICH opt out airlines
Subject: ICH opt out airlines

 

Hi SIS

I would like to clarify the following: that were sent by SIS bulletin Dec 2011 Issue 1

"Effective from April 2012, airlines that have migrated to SIS will have the option to provide a 6 month notice to the ICH that they are opting out from the ICH Web. Following the 6 month notice period, billings to ICH Members that have opted out of ICH Web will have to be submitted through SIS. It is important that all Members of the ICH make their plans accordingly."

Example

1) X airline has migrated to SIS in April 2012. How does X airline give a 6 month notice?

How does other airlines eg SQ knows that X airline has given a 6 months notice?

2) What do you mean by migrated ? Does it mean full migration for 4 classes of categories, Pax , Cargo, Misc, Uatp ? or only 1 category is sufficient?

3) After 6 months, ie Sept 2012, all billings to X has to be submitted through SIS.

But meanwhile, within 6 months, is it still true that if SQ receives a billing, rejection, correspondences via SIS from X, and we wish to reject it, we need to continue all rejections and correspondences via SIS?

THanks

Esther Low

Replied by Zineb A (Royal Air Maroc) on 2012-04-27 06:43:21
Dear Ashley,
 
I have some questions regarding your answer below.

3/ If airline A has fully migrated in december 2012 for Pax category. Airline A can send notice for withdrawll from ICH WEB on April 2012? Or she has to do it after 6 months of migration ?
If an airline migrated for CARGO Category in May 2012, when can this airline send the notice to withdraw from ICH for Cargo Category ?
 
Thanks in advance.  

From:
Posted: 3/6/2012 2:34 PM
Subject: ICH opt out airlines

Dear all,

Apologies for the delay in providing clarifications to this query. Please find the IATA’s responses as follows:

1)     X airline has migrated to SIS in April 2012. How does X airline give a 6 month notice?

Written notice is to be sent to the ICH. further details on this process will be provided via an ICH Circulars.

 

2)     How does other airlines eg SQ knows that X airline has given a 6 months notice?

The ICH will issue circulars to announce the notice period and the effective period when transactions by / against this member are to only go to SIS.

 

3)     What do you mean by migrated ? Does it mean full migration for 4 classes of categories, Pax , Cargo, Misc, Uatp ? or only 1 category is sufficient?

The rule states that can be applied once an airline is fully migrated within a billing category, not necessarily with all billing categories. For example, if an airline fully migrated for Pax, but not fully migrated for Misc, after 1 April 2012 can send to ICH a 6 month notice that they will withdraw from ICH Web for PAX billing category. So a carrier can choose to withdraw from ICH web any or all billing categories if it is fully migrated.

 

4)     After 6 months, ie Sept 2012, all billings to X has to be submitted through SIS. But meanwhile, within 6 months, is it still true that if SQ receives a billing, rejection, correspondences via SIS from X, and we wish to reject it, we need to continue all rejections and correspondences via SIS?

Yes, once a transaction starts in SIS it must continue in SIS as well.

Hope that clarifies.

Rgds,

Ashley

From: LOW Esther
Posted At: January-06-12 2:03 AM
Posted To: SIS Forums - Requirements & Functionality
Conversation: ICH opt out airlines
Subject: ICH opt out airlines

 

Hi SIS

I would like to clarify the following: that were sent by SIS bulletin Dec 2011 Issue 1

"Effective from April 2012, airlines that have migrated to SIS will have the option to provide a 6 month notice to the ICH that they are opting out from the ICH Web. Following the 6 month notice period, billings to ICH Members that have opted out of ICH Web will have to be submitted through SIS. It is important that all Members of the ICH make their plans accordingly."

Example

1) X airline has migrated to SIS in April 2012. How does X airline give a 6 month notice?

How does other airlines eg SQ knows that X airline has given a 6 months notice?

2) What do you mean by migrated ? Does it mean full migration for 4 classes of categories, Pax , Cargo, Misc, Uatp ? or only 1 category is sufficient?

3) After 6 months, ie Sept 2012, all billings to X has to be submitted through SIS.

But meanwhile, within 6 months, is it still true that if SQ receives a billing, rejection, correspondences via SIS from X, and we wish to reject it, we need to continue all rejections and correspondences via SIS?

THanks

Esther Low

Replied by Zineb A (Royal Air Maroc) on 2012-05-04 06:19:04
Dear Ashley,
 
Kindly give us a response for our query below.
 
Kind regards,


From:
Posted: 4/27/2012 6:43 AM
Subject: ICH opt out airlines

Dear Ashley,
 
I have some questions regarding your answer below.

3/ If airline A has fully migrated in december 2012 for Pax category. Airline A can send notice for withdrawll from ICH WEB on April 2012? Or she has to do it after 6 months of migration ?
If an airline migrated for CARGO Category in May 2012, when can this airline send the notice to withdraw from ICH for Cargo Category ?
 
Thanks in advance.  

From:
Posted: 3/6/2012 2:34 PM
Subject: ICH opt out airlines

Dear all,

Apologies for the delay in providing clarifications to this query. Please find the IATA’s responses as follows:

1)     X airline has migrated to SIS in April 2012. How does X airline give a 6 month notice?

Written notice is to be sent to the ICH. further details on this process will be provided via an ICH Circulars.

 

2)     How does other airlines eg SQ knows that X airline has given a 6 months notice?

The ICH will issue circulars to announce the notice period and the effective period when transactions by / against this member are to only go to SIS.

 

3)     What do you mean by migrated ? Does it mean full migration for 4 classes of categories, Pax , Cargo, Misc, Uatp ? or only 1 category is sufficient?

The rule states that can be applied once an airline is fully migrated within a billing category, not necessarily with all billing categories. For example, if an airline fully migrated for Pax, but not fully migrated for Misc, after 1 April 2012 can send to ICH a 6 month notice that they will withdraw from ICH Web for PAX billing category. So a carrier can choose to withdraw from ICH web any or all billing categories if it is fully migrated.

 

4)     After 6 months, ie Sept 2012, all billings to X has to be submitted through SIS. But meanwhile, within 6 months, is it still true that if SQ receives a billing, rejection, correspondences via SIS from X, and we wish to reject it, we need to continue all rejections and correspondences via SIS?

Yes, once a transaction starts in SIS it must continue in SIS as well.

Hope that clarifies.

Rgds,

Ashley

From: LOW Esther
Posted At: January-06-12 2:03 AM
Posted To: SIS Forums - Requirements & Functionality
Conversation: ICH opt out airlines
Subject: ICH opt out airlines

 

Hi SIS

I would like to clarify the following: that were sent by SIS bulletin Dec 2011 Issue 1

"Effective from April 2012, airlines that have migrated to SIS will have the option to provide a 6 month notice to the ICH that they are opting out from the ICH Web. Following the 6 month notice period, billings to ICH Members that have opted out of ICH Web will have to be submitted through SIS. It is important that all Members of the ICH make their plans accordingly."

Example

1) X airline has migrated to SIS in April 2012. How does X airline give a 6 month notice?

How does other airlines eg SQ knows that X airline has given a 6 months notice?

2) What do you mean by migrated ? Does it mean full migration for 4 classes of categories, Pax , Cargo, Misc, Uatp ? or only 1 category is sufficient?

3) After 6 months, ie Sept 2012, all billings to X has to be submitted through SIS.

But meanwhile, within 6 months, is it still true that if SQ receives a billing, rejection, correspondences via SIS from X, and we wish to reject it, we need to continue all rejections and correspondences via SIS?

THanks

Esther Low

Replied by Ashley H on 2012-05-08 15:19:58

Dear Zineb,

1.    Starting from April 2012, any airline who wishes to opt out of the ICH Web can provide a 6-month notice to the ICH at any time after their migration to SIS.

2.    If an airline migrates for Cargo in May 2012, they can also send this 6-month notice at any time after the migration.

Hope that clarifies.

Best regards,

Ashley

 

From: ASSABBANE zineb
Posted At: April-27-12 6:43 AM
Posted To: SIS Forums - Requirements & Functionality
Conversation: ICH opt out airlines
Subject: ICH opt out airlines

 

Dear Ashley,

 

I have some questions regarding your answer below.


3/ If airline A has fully migrated in december 2012 for Pax category. Airline A can send notice for withdrawll from ICH WEB on April 2012? Or she has to do it after 6 months of migration ?

If an airline migrated for CARGO Category in May 2012, when can this airline send the notice to withdraw from ICH for Cargo Category ?

 

Thanks in advance.  


From:
Posted: 3/6/2012 2:34 PM
Subject: ICH opt out airlines

Dear all,

Apologies for the delay in providing clarifications to this query. Please find the IATA’s responses as follows:

1)     X airline has migrated to SIS in April 2012. How does X airline give a 6 month notice?

Written notice is to be sent to the ICH. further details on this process will be provided via an ICH Circulars.

 

2)     How does other airlines eg SQ knows that X airline has given a 6 months notice?

The ICH will issue circulars to announce the notice period and the effective period when transactions by / against this member are to only go to SIS.

 

3)     What do you mean by migrated ? Does it mean full migration for 4 classes of categories, Pax , Cargo, Misc, Uatp ? or only 1 category is sufficient?

The rule states that can be applied once an airline is fully migrated within a billing category, not necessarily with all billing categories. For example, if an airline fully migrated for Pax, but not fully migrated for Misc, after 1 April 2012 can send to ICH a 6 month notice that they will withdraw from ICH Web for PAX billing category. So a carrier can choose to withdraw from ICH web any or all billing categories if it is fully migrated.

 

4)     After 6 months, ie Sept 2012, all billings to X has to be submitted through SIS. But meanwhile, within 6 months, is it still true that if SQ receives a billing, rejection, correspondences via SIS from X, and we wish to reject it, we need to continue all rejections and correspondences via SIS?

Yes, once a transaction starts in SIS it must continue in SIS as well.

Hope that clarifies.

Rgds,

Ashley

From: LOW Esther
Posted At: January-06-12 2:03 AM
Posted To: SIS Forums - Requirements & Functionality
Conversation: ICH opt out airlines
Subject: ICH opt out airlines

 

Hi SIS

I would like to clarify the following: that were sent by SIS bulletin Dec 2011 Issue 1

"Effective from April 2012, airlines that have migrated to SIS will have the option to provide a 6 month notice to the ICH that they are opting out from the ICH Web. Following the 6 month notice period, billings to ICH Members that have opted out of ICH Web will have to be submitted through SIS. It is important that all Members of the ICH make their plans accordingly."

Example

1) X airline has migrated to SIS in April 2012. How does X airline give a 6 month notice?

How does other airlines eg SQ knows that X airline has given a 6 months notice?

2) What do you mean by migrated ? Does it mean full migration for 4 classes of categories, Pax , Cargo, Misc, Uatp ? or only 1 category is sufficient?

3) After 6 months, ie Sept 2012, all billings to X has to be submitted through SIS.

But meanwhile, within 6 months, is it still true that if SQ receives a billing, rejection, correspondences via SIS from X, and we wish to reject it, we need to continue all rejections and correspondences via SIS?

THanks

Esther Low

 
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