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Created by Shankar S on 2010-10-29 02:03:49 Back to Topics

Migrated only prime

Hi
 
Ideally, if there is any transaction that comes thru IS, it needs to be actioned thru IS only
 
Example :  Carrier ‘A’ has migrated to Prime and not migrated to Non Prime. It bills carrier B who is also migrated to Prime but not migrated to Non Prime. 
01ST Rejection done by carrier ‘B’ to ‘A’: Carrier ‘B’ will have to login to IS WEB and capture the rejections manually on IS WEB.
 
02nd Rejection done by carrier 'A' to 'B' , will have to login to IS WEB and capture the rejection manually on IS WEB. 
 
Is above understanding correct. 
 
Will the above rule of capturing memos on IS WEB will be mandatory effective Sep’11 or Airlines can still exchange paper bilaterally for few months.
 
Shankar - EK
Replied by Elias B (SWISS) on 2010-11-02 04:53:40
My understanding of ISPG 11.3.6.4. is that the 1st rejection can be paper-based even if the related prime billing was sent through SIS.
 
Only 2nd and 3rd rejections must be done via IS-WEB, if 1st or 2nd was issued through SIS.
 
However, please clarify, as I don't see how a complete audit trail could be achieved based on the above understanding.


From:
Posted: Friday, October 29, 2010 2:03 AM
Subject: Migrated only prime

 
Hi
 
Ideally, if there is any transaction that comes thru IS, it needs to be actioned thru IS only
 
Example :  Carrier ‘A’ has migrated to Prime and not migrated to Non Prime. It bills carrier B who is also migrated to Prime but not migrated to Non Prime. 
01ST Rejection done by carrier ‘B’ to ‘A’: Carrier ‘B’ will have to login to IS WEB and capture the rejections manually on IS WEB.
 
02nd Rejection done by carrier 'A' to 'B' , will have to login to IS WEB and capture the rejection manually on IS WEB. 
 
Is above understanding correct. 
 
Will the above rule of capturing memos on IS WEB will be mandatory effective Sep’11 or Airlines can still exchange paper bilaterally for few months.
 
Shankar - EK
Replied by Bruno R (IATA) on 2010-11-10 10:24:59

When a member will migrate prime billing processed on SIS, all members will have to reject through SIS.

 

No paper base correspondence or rejection will be allowed for prime billing processed through SIS.


From:
Posted: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 4:53 AM
Subject: Migrated only prime

My understanding of ISPG 11.3.6.4. is that the 1st rejection can be paper-based even if the related prime billing was sent through SIS.
 
Only 2nd and 3rd rejections must be done via IS-WEB, if 1st or 2nd was issued through SIS.
 
However, please clarify, as I don't see how a complete audit trail could be achieved based on the above understanding.


From:
Posted: Friday, October 29, 2010 2:03 AM
Subject: Migrated only prime

 
Hi
 
Ideally, if there is any transaction that comes thru IS, it needs to be actioned thru IS only
 
Example :  Carrier ‘A’ has migrated to Prime and not migrated to Non Prime. It bills carrier B who is also migrated to Prime but not migrated to Non Prime. 
01ST Rejection done by carrier ‘B’ to ‘A’: Carrier ‘B’ will have to login to IS WEB and capture the rejections manually on IS WEB.
 
02nd Rejection done by carrier 'A' to 'B' , will have to login to IS WEB and capture the rejection manually on IS WEB. 
 
Is above understanding correct. 
 
Will the above rule of capturing memos on IS WEB will be mandatory effective Sep’11 or Airlines can still exchange paper bilaterally for few months.
 
Shankar - EK
Replied by Elias B (SWISS) on 2010-11-10 11:49:26
Dear Bruno,
 
sorry to insist on this point, but I cannot find your rule in the ISPG: the ISPG only says: "Rejection Memos raised by Migrated Entities against Non Migrated Entities can be further rejected only through SIS." (see 11.3.6.4 (PAX) and 11.4.5.3 (CGO))
For Misc, there is no similar chapter at all.
Hence I have to conclude that Prime Billings coming through SIS can be rejected paper-based.
Please correct ISPG accordingly or tell me where to find your rule.
 
See also Nicks KUL Presentation "Into The Future", On Slide 7 he writes:  Sept 2011 – 2nd and 3rd RMs via SIS
So again, since nothing is said about 1st rejections, I have to assume that I can issue them paper-based.
 
Furthermore: During the first 3 months, a migrated party has to continue sending paper invoices. So, can I reject these invoices still paper-based?
 
Best Regards,
 
Elias


 

From: IATA
Posted: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:24 AM
Subject: Migrated only prime

When a member will migrate prime billing processed on SIS, all members will have to reject through SIS.

 

No paper base correspondence or rejection will be allowed for prime billing processed through SIS.


From:
Posted: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 4:53 AM
Subject: Migrated only prime

My understanding of ISPG 11.3.6.4. is that the 1st rejection can be paper-based even if the related prime billing was sent through SIS.
 
Only 2nd and 3rd rejections must be done via IS-WEB, if 1st or 2nd was issued through SIS.
 
However, please clarify, as I don't see how a complete audit trail could be achieved based on the above understanding.


From:
Posted: Friday, October 29, 2010 2:03 AM
Subject: Migrated only prime

 
Hi
 
Ideally, if there is any transaction that comes thru IS, it needs to be actioned thru IS only
 
Example :  Carrier ‘A’ has migrated to Prime and not migrated to Non Prime. It bills carrier B who is also migrated to Prime but not migrated to Non Prime. 
01ST Rejection done by carrier ‘B’ to ‘A’: Carrier ‘B’ will have to login to IS WEB and capture the rejections manually on IS WEB.
 
02nd Rejection done by carrier 'A' to 'B' , will have to login to IS WEB and capture the rejection manually on IS WEB. 
 
Is above understanding correct. 
 
Will the above rule of capturing memos on IS WEB will be mandatory effective Sep’11 or Airlines can still exchange paper bilaterally for few months.
 
Shankar - EK
Replied by Bruno R (IATA) on 2010-11-11 05:08:54
Dear Shankar,
 
Your understanding is correct.
 
The rule that will apply is if the prime billing was processed through SIS the rejection process will have to be done within SIS and not with paper.
 
If the prime billing was prior migration to SIS, exchange of paper can remain.
 
Best Regards
 
Bruno

From:
Posted: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:49 AM
Subject: Migrated only prime

 
Hi
 
Ideally, if there is any transaction that comes thru IS, it needs to be actioned thru IS only
 
Example :  Carrier ‘A’ has migrated to Prime and not migrated to Non Prime. It bills carrier B who is also migrated to Prime but not migrated to Non Prime. 
01ST Rejection done by carrier ‘B’ to ‘A’: Carrier ‘B’ will have to login to IS WEB and capture the rejections manually on IS WEB.
 
02nd Rejection done by carrier 'A' to 'B' , will have to login to IS WEB and capture the rejection manually on IS WEB. 
 
Is above understanding correct. 
 
Will the above rule of capturing memos on IS WEB will be mandatory effective Sep’11 or Airlines can still exchange paper bilaterally for few months.
 
Shankar - EK
Replied by Bruno R (IATA) on 2010-11-11 05:15:17
Dear Elias,
 
Thanks for your feed back.
 
We will enhanced the ISPG as this is not clear enough, the same logic apply to all categories. 
The rules is to reject invoices through SIS if the original billing was made under SIS, so keeping paper for sending invoices is design for the transition period of three month and only apply to invoice not to rejection.
Best Regards
 
Bruno

From:
Posted: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:49 AM
Subject: Migrated only prime

Dear Bruno,
 
sorry to insist on this point, but I cannot find your rule in the ISPG: the ISPG only says: "Rejection Memos raised by Migrated Entities against Non Migrated Entities can be further rejected only through SIS." (see 11.3.6.4 (PAX) and 11.4.5.3 (CGO))
For Misc, there is no similar chapter at all.
Hence I have to conclude that Prime Billings coming through SIS can be rejected paper-based.
Please correct ISPG accordingly or tell me where to find your rule.
 
See also Nicks KUL Presentation "Into The Future", On Slide 7 he writes:  Sept 2011 – 2nd and 3rd RMs via SIS
So again, since nothing is said about 1st rejections, I have to assume that I can issue them paper-based.
 
Furthermore: During the first 3 months, a migrated party has to continue sending paper invoices. So, can I reject these invoices still paper-based?
 
Best Regards,
 
Elias


 

From: IATA
Posted: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:24 AM
Subject: Migrated only prime

When a member will migrate prime billing processed on SIS, all members will have to reject through SIS.

 

No paper base correspondence or rejection will be allowed for prime billing processed through SIS.


From:
Posted: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 4:53 AM
Subject: Migrated only prime

My understanding of ISPG 11.3.6.4. is that the 1st rejection can be paper-based even if the related prime billing was sent through SIS.
 
Only 2nd and 3rd rejections must be done via IS-WEB, if 1st or 2nd was issued through SIS.
 
However, please clarify, as I don't see how a complete audit trail could be achieved based on the above understanding.


From:
Posted: Friday, October 29, 2010 2:03 AM
Subject: Migrated only prime

 
Hi
 
Ideally, if there is any transaction that comes thru IS, it needs to be actioned thru IS only
 
Example :  Carrier ‘A’ has migrated to Prime and not migrated to Non Prime. It bills carrier B who is also migrated to Prime but not migrated to Non Prime. 
01ST Rejection done by carrier ‘B’ to ‘A’: Carrier ‘B’ will have to login to IS WEB and capture the rejections manually on IS WEB.
 
02nd Rejection done by carrier 'A' to 'B' , will have to login to IS WEB and capture the rejection manually on IS WEB. 
 
Is above understanding correct. 
 
Will the above rule of capturing memos on IS WEB will be mandatory effective Sep’11 or Airlines can still exchange paper bilaterally for few months.
 
Shankar - EK
Replied by Shankar S on 2010-11-16 06:18:17
Dear Bruno
 
Thank you for your clarification.

Since, it is mandatory for non migrated carriers to capture rejections of prime billings received from migrated carriers on IS WEB, we would like to know if SIS will generate a settlement file for these rejections and submit to ICH.

I am sure ICH will check if the same invoice number is received from IS settlement file as well as F12 file submitted by the carrier.

Shankar


From: IATA
Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:15 AM
Subject: Migrated only prime

Dear Elias,
 
Thanks for your feed back.
 
We will enhanced the ISPG as this is not clear enough, the same logic apply to all categories. 
The rules is to reject invoices through SIS if the original billing was made under SIS, so keeping paper for sending invoices is design for the transition period of three month and only apply to invoice not to rejection.
Best Regards
 
Bruno

From:
Posted: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:49 AM
Subject: Migrated only prime

Dear Bruno,
 
sorry to insist on this point, but I cannot find your rule in the ISPG: the ISPG only says: "Rejection Memos raised by Migrated Entities against Non Migrated Entities can be further rejected only through SIS." (see 11.3.6.4 (PAX) and 11.4.5.3 (CGO))
For Misc, there is no similar chapter at all.
Hence I have to conclude that Prime Billings coming through SIS can be rejected paper-based.
Please correct ISPG accordingly or tell me where to find your rule.
 
See also Nicks KUL Presentation "Into The Future", On Slide 7 he writes:  Sept 2011 – 2nd and 3rd RMs via SIS
So again, since nothing is said about 1st rejections, I have to assume that I can issue them paper-based.
 
Furthermore: During the first 3 months, a migrated party has to continue sending paper invoices. So, can I reject these invoices still paper-based?
 
Best Regards,
 
Elias


 

From: IATA
Posted: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:24 AM
Subject: Migrated only prime

When a member will migrate prime billing processed on SIS, all members will have to reject through SIS.

 

No paper base correspondence or rejection will be allowed for prime billing processed through SIS.


From:
Posted: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 4:53 AM
Subject: Migrated only prime

My understanding of ISPG 11.3.6.4. is that the 1st rejection can be paper-based even if the related prime billing was sent through SIS.
 
Only 2nd and 3rd rejections must be done via IS-WEB, if 1st or 2nd was issued through SIS.
 
However, please clarify, as I don't see how a complete audit trail could be achieved based on the above understanding.


From:
Posted: Friday, October 29, 2010 2:03 AM
Subject: Migrated only prime

 
Hi
 
Ideally, if there is any transaction that comes thru IS, it needs to be actioned thru IS only
 
Example :  Carrier ‘A’ has migrated to Prime and not migrated to Non Prime. It bills carrier B who is also migrated to Prime but not migrated to Non Prime. 
01ST Rejection done by carrier ‘B’ to ‘A’: Carrier ‘B’ will have to login to IS WEB and capture the rejections manually on IS WEB.
 
02nd Rejection done by carrier 'A' to 'B' , will have to login to IS WEB and capture the rejection manually on IS WEB. 
 
Is above understanding correct. 
 
Will the above rule of capturing memos on IS WEB will be mandatory effective Sep’11 or Airlines can still exchange paper bilaterally for few months.
 
Shankar - EK
 
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