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Created by Konda R (Qantas) on 2011-07-24 17:29:59 Back to Topics

Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi
we have been advised in a separate SIS Forum item that for Non-pilot carriers, the scheduled start date for connectivity testing is 8 August, and scheduled start date for sandbox testing is 15 August. Presumably, Certification testing can be completed at any point after 15 August if sandbox testing is successful. 
Originally, it was planned that carriers would have signed the IS Participation Agreement before access to the the Sandbox.

But given the significant delays in release of the IS Participation Agreement to the industry, can you confirm there is no longer any pre-requisite to sign the IS Participation Agreement before commencing the connectivity, sandbox & certification testing?

All carriers can expect to have a full two months to review and sign the IS Participation Agreement without impacting their ability to meet the SIS go live date?
Replied by Eva G (EL AL) on 2011-07-25 03:05:57
Hi,
 
We would like as well to get an answer to this question.
 
What will be the Sandbox testing procedure in the case of the Participation Agreement is not sighed.
 
Thanks,
 
Eva Greenberg  


From:
Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:29 PM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi
we have been advised in a separate SIS Forum item that for Non-pilot carriers, the scheduled start date for connectivity testing is 8 August, and scheduled start date for sandbox testing is 15 August. Presumably, Certification testing can be completed at any point after 15 August if sandbox testing is successful. 
Originally, it was planned that carriers would have signed the IS Participation Agreement before access to the the Sandbox.

But given the significant delays in release of the IS Participation Agreement to the industry, can you confirm there is no longer any pre-requisite to sign the IS Participation Agreement before commencing the connectivity, sandbox & certification testing?

All carriers can expect to have a full two months to review and sign the IS Participation Agreement without impacting their ability to meet the SIS go live date?
Replied by Jessie S (SAA) on 2011-07-27 03:55:45
Hi
 
I would also like a an answer to the below question regarding Sandbox testing.
 
Thanks


From:
Posted: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:05 AM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi,
 
We would like as well to get an answer to this question.
 
What will be the Sandbox testing procedure in the case of the Participation Agreement is not sighed.
 
Thanks,
 
Eva Greenberg  


From:
Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:29 PM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi
we have been advised in a separate SIS Forum item that for Non-pilot carriers, the scheduled start date for connectivity testing is 8 August, and scheduled start date for sandbox testing is 15 August. Presumably, Certification testing can be completed at any point after 15 August if sandbox testing is successful. 
Originally, it was planned that carriers would have signed the IS Participation Agreement before access to the the Sandbox.

But given the significant delays in release of the IS Participation Agreement to the industry, can you confirm there is no longer any pre-requisite to sign the IS Participation Agreement before commencing the connectivity, sandbox & certification testing?

All carriers can expect to have a full two months to review and sign the IS Participation Agreement without impacting their ability to meet the SIS go live date?
Replied by Sergio A (Air Europa) on 2011-07-27 06:28:00
UX is interested also in this answer.
 
Thx

From:
Posted: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:55 AM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi
 
I would also like a an answer to the below question regarding Sandbox testing.
 
Thanks


From:
Posted: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:05 AM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi,
 
We would like as well to get an answer to this question.
 
What will be the Sandbox testing procedure in the case of the Participation Agreement is not sighed.
 
Thanks,
 
Eva Greenberg  


From:
Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:29 PM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi
we have been advised in a separate SIS Forum item that for Non-pilot carriers, the scheduled start date for connectivity testing is 8 August, and scheduled start date for sandbox testing is 15 August. Presumably, Certification testing can be completed at any point after 15 August if sandbox testing is successful. 
Originally, it was planned that carriers would have signed the IS Participation Agreement before access to the the Sandbox.

But given the significant delays in release of the IS Participation Agreement to the industry, can you confirm there is no longer any pre-requisite to sign the IS Participation Agreement before commencing the connectivity, sandbox & certification testing?

All carriers can expect to have a full two months to review and sign the IS Participation Agreement without impacting their ability to meet the SIS go live date?
Replied by Ekaterina K (Siberia Airlines) on 2011-07-28 02:17:30
Hello,
 
S7 would also like to receive a reply to this

Thanks

From:
Posted: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 6:28 AM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

UX is interested also in this answer.
 
Thx

From:
Posted: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:55 AM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi
 
I would also like a an answer to the below question regarding Sandbox testing.
 
Thanks


From:
Posted: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:05 AM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi,
 
We would like as well to get an answer to this question.
 
What will be the Sandbox testing procedure in the case of the Participation Agreement is not sighed.
 
Thanks,
 
Eva Greenberg  


From:
Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:29 PM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi
we have been advised in a separate SIS Forum item that for Non-pilot carriers, the scheduled start date for connectivity testing is 8 August, and scheduled start date for sandbox testing is 15 August. Presumably, Certification testing can be completed at any point after 15 August if sandbox testing is successful. 
Originally, it was planned that carriers would have signed the IS Participation Agreement before access to the the Sandbox.

But given the significant delays in release of the IS Participation Agreement to the industry, can you confirm there is no longer any pre-requisite to sign the IS Participation Agreement before commencing the connectivity, sandbox & certification testing?

All carriers can expect to have a full two months to review and sign the IS Participation Agreement without impacting their ability to meet the SIS go live date?
Replied by Stuart A (Virgin Atlantic) on 2011-07-28 03:32:59

VS also very keen to establish when we can access sandbox, and when Participation Agreement will be forthcoming

From:
Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:29 PM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi
we have been advised in a separate SIS Forum item that for Non-pilot carriers, the scheduled start date for connectivity testing is 8 August, and scheduled start date for sandbox testing is 15 August. Presumably, Certification testing can be completed at any point after 15 August if sandbox testing is successful. 
Originally, it was planned that carriers would have signed the IS Participation Agreement before access to the the Sandbox.

But given the significant delays in release of the IS Participation Agreement to the industry, can you confirm there is no longer any pre-requisite to sign the IS Participation Agreement before commencing the connectivity, sandbox & certification testing?

All carriers can expect to have a full two months to review and sign the IS Participation Agreement without impacting their ability to meet the SIS go live date?
Replied by Russell F on 2011-07-28 04:09:16
BD also would like an update on this, and also an update on when when Participation Agreement will be forthcoming


From:
Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 7:17 AM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hello,
 
S7 would also like to receive a reply to this

Thanks

From:
Posted: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 6:28 AM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

UX is interested also in this answer.
 
Thx

From:
Posted: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:55 AM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi
 
I would also like a an answer to the below question regarding Sandbox testing.
 
Thanks


From:
Posted: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:05 AM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi,
 
We would like as well to get an answer to this question.
 
What will be the Sandbox testing procedure in the case of the Participation Agreement is not sighed.
 
Thanks,
 
Eva Greenberg  


From:
Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:29 PM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi
we have been advised in a separate SIS Forum item that for Non-pilot carriers, the scheduled start date for connectivity testing is 8 August, and scheduled start date for sandbox testing is 15 August. Presumably, Certification testing can be completed at any point after 15 August if sandbox testing is successful. 
Originally, it was planned that carriers would have signed the IS Participation Agreement before access to the the Sandbox.

But given the significant delays in release of the IS Participation Agreement to the industry, can you confirm there is no longer any pre-requisite to sign the IS Participation Agreement before commencing the connectivity, sandbox & certification testing?

All carriers can expect to have a full two months to review and sign the IS Participation Agreement without impacting their ability to meet the SIS go live date?
Replied by Eric B (Air France) on 2011-07-28 05:45:13
Yes,
The same from AF.
 
Eric Beranger


From:
Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:29 PM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi
we have been advised in a separate SIS Forum item that for Non-pilot carriers, the scheduled start date for connectivity testing is 8 August, and scheduled start date for sandbox testing is 15 August. Presumably, Certification testing can be completed at any point after 15 August if sandbox testing is successful. 
Originally, it was planned that carriers would have signed the IS Participation Agreement before access to the the Sandbox.

But given the significant delays in release of the IS Participation Agreement to the industry, can you confirm there is no longer any pre-requisite to sign the IS Participation Agreement before commencing the connectivity, sandbox & certification testing?

All carriers can expect to have a full two months to review and sign the IS Participation Agreement without impacting their ability to meet the SIS go live date?
Replied by Konda R (Qantas) on 2011-07-28 23:33:07

So far I have not received a reply from the SIS project or IATA on this item.  Clearly, many airlines feel this is an important issue.

I continue to see in responses to other SIS Forum items that there is, so far, no relaxation in the requirement to sign the Participation Agreement before we can access the Sandbox.

Given the ongoing delay in releasing the Participation Agreement to industry, and the insistence on maintaining the Participation Agreement on the critical path for SIS project activities, I am struggling to see how any non-pilot members can meet a SIS go-live at end of September, even with  perfect test files and zero issues in the sandbox/certification testing process.

There is an implied and unrealistic expectation that non-pilot members will sign the Participation Agreement in a very short time frame, presumably by short circuiting due process.  

For example, if the Participation Agreement is released today, members will have just 10 work days to review & sign an agreement that pilot carriers/SIS steering group and IATA have negotiated for months, if they want to commence Sandbox Testing at the earliest possible date (15 August). 

This is well short of the originally advertised time frame of two months communicated in industry forums for members to review and sign-off on the Participation Agreement. Back then two months sounded challenging.

To illustrate further, I have listed all the steps from the Sign Up Guide that need to be completed by members for SIS go-live, with the IS Participation Agreement on the critical path. 

If SIS go-live at end of September is not going to be exclusively for Pilot Carriers, then something needs to give.

If SIS go-live becomes exclusive for Pilot Carriers, then this needs to be communicated the industry, in which case the membership can provide their feedback to IATA. 

I suggest IATA urgently communicates to industry with a workable strategy to mitigate the delay in release of the IS Participation Agreement that will enable SIS early adopter members to meet a SIS go-live at end of September (or whatever date the Pilot members go-live).

The SIS early adopter members have made a significant investment to achieve the SIS project timelines, and due to no fault of their own, they are not going to have a fair opportunity to achieve the SIS go-live date.

1) IATA release IS Participation Agreement - date X

2) Carrier reviews & sign Participation Agreement - date X + up to 2 months (it was always communicated that carriers would have 2 months to review & sign the Participation Agreement)

3) SIS Operations sets up Basic Member Profile -some date in August, not dependent on the Participation Agreement

4) Member Activation by SIS Operations will take up to one week after returning signed Participation Agreement . This will give full access to a Member Super User, and Access to the Sandbox and Certification Testing environment

5) Connectivity testing with the Sandbox Testing environment via iiNet will be available from 8 August, not dependent on Participation Agreement

6) Sandbox Testing will be available from 15 August, contingent on signed Participation Agreement.

7) Certification Testing will commence after successful Sandbox Testing

8) On successful Certification testing of a "Billing Category – File Type – Transaction Types" (BCFT), the Certification report is sent to the Member and SIS Ops.

9) SIS Ops validates the Certification details and sends an email to the Member with the proposed Go- Live migration period for the BCFT which was successfully tested.

10) Member confirms Go- Live migration period

11) The Go-Live migration period will be broadcasted to all Members in "Active" as well as "Basic" status.

12) The Member is expected to review the Member Profile set-up on the Production Server before going live for the certified transaction types

13) Member completes Connectivity testing with the Production Server via iiNET

14) Member goes live for agreed migration date (billing month /period)  

Other tasks to be completed before Go Live:

15) One month before SIS go-live, SIS Operations will publish the URL for all members with the "Active" membership status to log-in to IS-WEB in Sandbox environment and review the Member Profile Set-up details.

16) Members will have 2 weeks to review the Member Profile set-up and make any modifications to the set-up details. During this period, the Member Super User will be allowed to create other users who will have access to IS-WEB.

17) After the 2 week review period, the Member Profile and User Profile set-up done on the Sandbox Environment will be frozen. Access to IS-WEB on the Sandbox Environment will cease to exist. The Member Profile and User Profile data will be migrated on to the IS Production Server by SIS Operations as part of the Move to Operations phase, 2 weeks before Go-live.

Konda/QF


From:
Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:29 PM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi
we have been advised in a separate SIS Forum item that for Non-pilot carriers, the scheduled start date for connectivity testing is 8 August, and scheduled start date for sandbox testing is 15 August. Presumably, Certification testing can be completed at any point after 15 August if sandbox testing is successful. 
Originally, it was planned that carriers would have signed the IS Participation Agreement before access to the the Sandbox.

But given the significant delays in release of the IS Participation Agreement to the industry, can you confirm there is no longer any pre-requisite to sign the IS Participation Agreement before commencing the connectivity, sandbox & certification testing?

All carriers can expect to have a full two months to review and sign the IS Participation Agreement without impacting their ability to meet the SIS go live date?
Replied by Ashley H on 2011-08-03 17:08:05
Dear Konda,
 
We understand your concern and yes indeed, this is becoming an issue as the Sandbox release date is drawing close. However, as stated on the July bulletin released recently, the IS Participation Agreement has not been endorsed by the SIS Steering Group and therefore at this time we have not been allowed to relax the requirement to give access to the Sandbox prior to the agreement being signed.
 
Best regards

From:
Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 11:33 PM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

So far I have not received a reply from the SIS project or IATA on this item.  Clearly, many airlines feel this is an important issue.

I continue to see in responses to other SIS Forum items that there is, so far, no relaxation in the requirement to sign the Participation Agreement before we can access the Sandbox.

Given the ongoing delay in releasing the Participation Agreement to industry, and the insistence on maintaining the Participation Agreement on the critical path for SIS project activities, I am struggling to see how any non-pilot members can meet a SIS go-live at end of September, even with  perfect test files and zero issues in the sandbox/certification testing process.

There is an implied and unrealistic expectation that non-pilot members will sign the Participation Agreement in a very short time frame, presumably by short circuiting due process.  

For example, if the Participation Agreement is released today, members will have just 10 work days to review & sign an agreement that pilot carriers/SIS steering group and IATA have negotiated for months, if they want to commence Sandbox Testing at the earliest possible date (15 August). 

This is well short of the originally advertised time frame of two months communicated in industry forums for members to review and sign-off on the Participation Agreement. Back then two months sounded challenging.

To illustrate further, I have listed all the steps from the Sign Up Guide that need to be completed by members for SIS go-live, with the IS Participation Agreement on the critical path. 

If SIS go-live at end of September is not going to be exclusively for Pilot Carriers, then something needs to give.

If SIS go-live becomes exclusive for Pilot Carriers, then this needs to be communicated the industry, in which case the membership can provide their feedback to IATA. 

I suggest IATA urgently communicates to industry with a workable strategy to mitigate the delay in release of the IS Participation Agreement that will enable SIS early adopter members to meet a SIS go-live at end of September (or whatever date the Pilot members go-live).

The SIS early adopter members have made a significant investment to achieve the SIS project timelines, and due to no fault of their own, they are not going to have a fair opportunity to achieve the SIS go-live date.

1) IATA release IS Participation Agreement - date X

2) Carrier reviews & sign Participation Agreement - date X + up to 2 months (it was always communicated that carriers would have 2 months to review & sign the Participation Agreement)

3) SIS Operations sets up Basic Member Profile -some date in August, not dependent on the Participation Agreement

4) Member Activation by SIS Operations will take up to one week after returning signed Participation Agreement . This will give full access to a Member Super User, and Access to the Sandbox and Certification Testing environment

5) Connectivity testing with the Sandbox Testing environment via iiNet will be available from 8 August, not dependent on Participation Agreement

6) Sandbox Testing will be available from 15 August, contingent on signed Participation Agreement.

7) Certification Testing will commence after successful Sandbox Testing

8) On successful Certification testing of a "Billing Category – File Type – Transaction Types" (BCFT), the Certification report is sent to the Member and SIS Ops.

9) SIS Ops validates the Certification details and sends an email to the Member with the proposed Go- Live migration period for the BCFT which was successfully tested.

10) Member confirms Go- Live migration period

11) The Go-Live migration period will be broadcasted to all Members in "Active" as well as "Basic" status.

12) The Member is expected to review the Member Profile set-up on the Production Server before going live for the certified transaction types

13) Member completes Connectivity testing with the Production Server via iiNET

14) Member goes live for agreed migration date (billing month /period)  

Other tasks to be completed before Go Live:

15) One month before SIS go-live, SIS Operations will publish the URL for all members with the "Active" membership status to log-in to IS-WEB in Sandbox environment and review the Member Profile Set-up details.

16) Members will have 2 weeks to review the Member Profile set-up and make any modifications to the set-up details. During this period, the Member Super User will be allowed to create other users who will have access to IS-WEB.

17) After the 2 week review period, the Member Profile and User Profile set-up done on the Sandbox Environment will be frozen. Access to IS-WEB on the Sandbox Environment will cease to exist. The Member Profile and User Profile data will be migrated on to the IS Production Server by SIS Operations as part of the Move to Operations phase, 2 weeks before Go-live.

Konda/QF


From:
Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:29 PM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi
we have been advised in a separate SIS Forum item that for Non-pilot carriers, the scheduled start date for connectivity testing is 8 August, and scheduled start date for sandbox testing is 15 August. Presumably, Certification testing can be completed at any point after 15 August if sandbox testing is successful. 
Originally, it was planned that carriers would have signed the IS Participation Agreement before access to the the Sandbox.

But given the significant delays in release of the IS Participation Agreement to the industry, can you confirm there is no longer any pre-requisite to sign the IS Participation Agreement before commencing the connectivity, sandbox & certification testing?

All carriers can expect to have a full two months to review and sign the IS Participation Agreement without impacting their ability to meet the SIS go live date?
Replied by Wong W (Cathay Pacific) on 2011-08-10 05:39:51
Dear Ashley,
 
Any timeline for the SIS Steering Group to approve the IS Participation Agreement. Please advise the progress.
 
Thank you very much.


From:
Posted: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 5:08 PM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Dear Konda,
 
We understand your concern and yes indeed, this is becoming an issue as the Sandbox release date is drawing close. However, as stated on the July bulletin released recently, the IS Participation Agreement has not been endorsed by the SIS Steering Group and therefore at this time we have not been allowed to relax the requirement to give access to the Sandbox prior to the agreement being signed.
 
Best regards

From:
Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 11:33 PM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

So far I have not received a reply from the SIS project or IATA on this item.  Clearly, many airlines feel this is an important issue.

I continue to see in responses to other SIS Forum items that there is, so far, no relaxation in the requirement to sign the Participation Agreement before we can access the Sandbox.

Given the ongoing delay in releasing the Participation Agreement to industry, and the insistence on maintaining the Participation Agreement on the critical path for SIS project activities, I am struggling to see how any non-pilot members can meet a SIS go-live at end of September, even with  perfect test files and zero issues in the sandbox/certification testing process.

There is an implied and unrealistic expectation that non-pilot members will sign the Participation Agreement in a very short time frame, presumably by short circuiting due process.  

For example, if the Participation Agreement is released today, members will have just 10 work days to review & sign an agreement that pilot carriers/SIS steering group and IATA have negotiated for months, if they want to commence Sandbox Testing at the earliest possible date (15 August). 

This is well short of the originally advertised time frame of two months communicated in industry forums for members to review and sign-off on the Participation Agreement. Back then two months sounded challenging.

To illustrate further, I have listed all the steps from the Sign Up Guide that need to be completed by members for SIS go-live, with the IS Participation Agreement on the critical path. 

If SIS go-live at end of September is not going to be exclusively for Pilot Carriers, then something needs to give.

If SIS go-live becomes exclusive for Pilot Carriers, then this needs to be communicated the industry, in which case the membership can provide their feedback to IATA. 

I suggest IATA urgently communicates to industry with a workable strategy to mitigate the delay in release of the IS Participation Agreement that will enable SIS early adopter members to meet a SIS go-live at end of September (or whatever date the Pilot members go-live).

The SIS early adopter members have made a significant investment to achieve the SIS project timelines, and due to no fault of their own, they are not going to have a fair opportunity to achieve the SIS go-live date.

1) IATA release IS Participation Agreement - date X

2) Carrier reviews & sign Participation Agreement - date X + up to 2 months (it was always communicated that carriers would have 2 months to review & sign the Participation Agreement)

3) SIS Operations sets up Basic Member Profile -some date in August, not dependent on the Participation Agreement

4) Member Activation by SIS Operations will take up to one week after returning signed Participation Agreement . This will give full access to a Member Super User, and Access to the Sandbox and Certification Testing environment

5) Connectivity testing with the Sandbox Testing environment via iiNet will be available from 8 August, not dependent on Participation Agreement

6) Sandbox Testing will be available from 15 August, contingent on signed Participation Agreement.

7) Certification Testing will commence after successful Sandbox Testing

8) On successful Certification testing of a "Billing Category – File Type – Transaction Types" (BCFT), the Certification report is sent to the Member and SIS Ops.

9) SIS Ops validates the Certification details and sends an email to the Member with the proposed Go- Live migration period for the BCFT which was successfully tested.

10) Member confirms Go- Live migration period

11) The Go-Live migration period will be broadcasted to all Members in "Active" as well as "Basic" status.

12) The Member is expected to review the Member Profile set-up on the Production Server before going live for the certified transaction types

13) Member completes Connectivity testing with the Production Server via iiNET

14) Member goes live for agreed migration date (billing month /period)  

Other tasks to be completed before Go Live:

15) One month before SIS go-live, SIS Operations will publish the URL for all members with the "Active" membership status to log-in to IS-WEB in Sandbox environment and review the Member Profile Set-up details.

16) Members will have 2 weeks to review the Member Profile set-up and make any modifications to the set-up details. During this period, the Member Super User will be allowed to create other users who will have access to IS-WEB.

17) After the 2 week review period, the Member Profile and User Profile set-up done on the Sandbox Environment will be frozen. Access to IS-WEB on the Sandbox Environment will cease to exist. The Member Profile and User Profile data will be migrated on to the IS Production Server by SIS Operations as part of the Move to Operations phase, 2 weeks before Go-live.

Konda/QF


From:
Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:29 PM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi
we have been advised in a separate SIS Forum item that for Non-pilot carriers, the scheduled start date for connectivity testing is 8 August, and scheduled start date for sandbox testing is 15 August. Presumably, Certification testing can be completed at any point after 15 August if sandbox testing is successful. 
Originally, it was planned that carriers would have signed the IS Participation Agreement before access to the the Sandbox.

But given the significant delays in release of the IS Participation Agreement to the industry, can you confirm there is no longer any pre-requisite to sign the IS Participation Agreement before commencing the connectivity, sandbox & certification testing?

All carriers can expect to have a full two months to review and sign the IS Participation Agreement without impacting their ability to meet the SIS go live date?
Replied by Konda R (Qantas) on 2011-08-11 16:52:17
4 days to Sandbox availability, is there an update? 
 
Konda/QF

From:
Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:39 AM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Dear Ashley,
 
Any timeline for the SIS Steering Group to approve the IS Participation Agreement. Please advise the progress.
 
Thank you very much.


From:
Posted: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 5:08 PM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Dear Konda,
 
We understand your concern and yes indeed, this is becoming an issue as the Sandbox release date is drawing close. However, as stated on the July bulletin released recently, the IS Participation Agreement has not been endorsed by the SIS Steering Group and therefore at this time we have not been allowed to relax the requirement to give access to the Sandbox prior to the agreement being signed.
 
Best regards

From:
Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 11:33 PM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

So far I have not received a reply from the SIS project or IATA on this item.  Clearly, many airlines feel this is an important issue.

I continue to see in responses to other SIS Forum items that there is, so far, no relaxation in the requirement to sign the Participation Agreement before we can access the Sandbox.

Given the ongoing delay in releasing the Participation Agreement to industry, and the insistence on maintaining the Participation Agreement on the critical path for SIS project activities, I am struggling to see how any non-pilot members can meet a SIS go-live at end of September, even with  perfect test files and zero issues in the sandbox/certification testing process.

There is an implied and unrealistic expectation that non-pilot members will sign the Participation Agreement in a very short time frame, presumably by short circuiting due process.  

For example, if the Participation Agreement is released today, members will have just 10 work days to review & sign an agreement that pilot carriers/SIS steering group and IATA have negotiated for months, if they want to commence Sandbox Testing at the earliest possible date (15 August). 

This is well short of the originally advertised time frame of two months communicated in industry forums for members to review and sign-off on the Participation Agreement. Back then two months sounded challenging.

To illustrate further, I have listed all the steps from the Sign Up Guide that need to be completed by members for SIS go-live, with the IS Participation Agreement on the critical path. 

If SIS go-live at end of September is not going to be exclusively for Pilot Carriers, then something needs to give.

If SIS go-live becomes exclusive for Pilot Carriers, then this needs to be communicated the industry, in which case the membership can provide their feedback to IATA. 

I suggest IATA urgently communicates to industry with a workable strategy to mitigate the delay in release of the IS Participation Agreement that will enable SIS early adopter members to meet a SIS go-live at end of September (or whatever date the Pilot members go-live).

The SIS early adopter members have made a significant investment to achieve the SIS project timelines, and due to no fault of their own, they are not going to have a fair opportunity to achieve the SIS go-live date.

1) IATA release IS Participation Agreement - date X

2) Carrier reviews & sign Participation Agreement - date X + up to 2 months (it was always communicated that carriers would have 2 months to review & sign the Participation Agreement)

3) SIS Operations sets up Basic Member Profile -some date in August, not dependent on the Participation Agreement

4) Member Activation by SIS Operations will take up to one week after returning signed Participation Agreement . This will give full access to a Member Super User, and Access to the Sandbox and Certification Testing environment

5) Connectivity testing with the Sandbox Testing environment via iiNet will be available from 8 August, not dependent on Participation Agreement

6) Sandbox Testing will be available from 15 August, contingent on signed Participation Agreement.

7) Certification Testing will commence after successful Sandbox Testing

8) On successful Certification testing of a "Billing Category – File Type – Transaction Types" (BCFT), the Certification report is sent to the Member and SIS Ops.

9) SIS Ops validates the Certification details and sends an email to the Member with the proposed Go- Live migration period for the BCFT which was successfully tested.

10) Member confirms Go- Live migration period

11) The Go-Live migration period will be broadcasted to all Members in "Active" as well as "Basic" status.

12) The Member is expected to review the Member Profile set-up on the Production Server before going live for the certified transaction types

13) Member completes Connectivity testing with the Production Server via iiNET

14) Member goes live for agreed migration date (billing month /period)  

Other tasks to be completed before Go Live:

15) One month before SIS go-live, SIS Operations will publish the URL for all members with the "Active" membership status to log-in to IS-WEB in Sandbox environment and review the Member Profile Set-up details.

16) Members will have 2 weeks to review the Member Profile set-up and make any modifications to the set-up details. During this period, the Member Super User will be allowed to create other users who will have access to IS-WEB.

17) After the 2 week review period, the Member Profile and User Profile set-up done on the Sandbox Environment will be frozen. Access to IS-WEB on the Sandbox Environment will cease to exist. The Member Profile and User Profile data will be migrated on to the IS Production Server by SIS Operations as part of the Move to Operations phase, 2 weeks before Go-live.

Konda/QF


From:
Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:29 PM
Subject: Access to Sandbox without signing IS Participation Agreement

Hi
we have been advised in a separate SIS Forum item that for Non-pilot carriers, the scheduled start date for connectivity testing is 8 August, and scheduled start date for sandbox testing is 15 August. Presumably, Certification testing can be completed at any point after 15 August if sandbox testing is successful. 
Originally, it was planned that carriers would have signed the IS Participation Agreement before access to the the Sandbox.

But given the significant delays in release of the IS Participation Agreement to the industry, can you confirm there is no longer any pre-requisite to sign the IS Participation Agreement before commencing the connectivity, sandbox & certification testing?

All carriers can expect to have a full two months to review and sign the IS Participation Agreement without impacting their ability to meet the SIS go live date?
 
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