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Non-ICH via SIS generally ok?

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Created by Claudia L (Lufthansa) on 2011-06-14 08:58:35 Back to Topics

Non-ICH via SIS generally ok?

Hi IATA.
This question is still open, please advise.
Thanks
Claudia (LH)
From: Lufthansa
Posted: Monday, June 06, 2011 4:17 AM
Subject: Handling of invoices for non-ICH carriers

Hi Ashley,
 
just to make sure I understand you correctly. We could send IS-IDEC invoices with SMI=B to IATA for any Non-CH-airline? Or do we need to check if they are SIS members first?
Thanks
Claudia (LH)
From:
Posted: Thursday, June 02, 2011 11:32 AM
Subject: Handling of invoices for non-ICH carriers

Hi Claudia,

 

For airlines, being a member of a Clearing House (ICH or ACH) is not a prerequisite to join SIS – any airline that is involved in interline activity is eligible to join.

 

Non-airlines may also join SIS if they do substantial business with the airline industry, particularly where international settlements are involved due to the integration with the clearing house. For non-airlines working mainly in a domestic environment, IATA e-Invoicing has services that may also be appropriate to their needs in countries which it supports. IATA e-Invoicing also enables the transmission and receipt of IS-XML format files for users of the service.

  

As a migrated airline, you may send IS-Format files to SIS for Clearing House and non-Clearing House carriers for bilateral settlements (SMI=B).

 

Hope this clarifies.
Best regards

From: Lufthansa
Posted: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 7:26 AM
Subject: Handling of invoices for non-ICH carriers

Hi IATA.
 
Some comments on non-ICH-members confused me lately. It is my understanding that Non-ICH members will not be able to migrate to SIS and submit their data in IS format to IATA. Correct or wrong?
 
As a migrated carrier, may we also send IS-IDECs to IATA for invoices to Non-ICH carriers? Or should those invoices be exchanged bilaterally? Please advise.
 
Thanks
Claudia (LH)
Replied by Ashley H on 2011-06-20 16:41:26
Hi Claudia,
 
Regarding your questions:
 
- No, non-CH members can indeed join SIS and submit IS-format invoices. For the benefit of all readers, please find more details in the FAQ on the SIS website.

- Yes, you may send IS-IDEC to non-migrated non-CH members through SMI=B for bilateral settlement. However, please note these members will not receive any notification of the incoming invoices and therefore this exchange will need to be agreed bilaterally.
 
Best regards
Replied by Mamta S on 2011-06-22 05:33:23

Hi,

 

my understanding till now was, that all kind of paper invoices will be removed latest one year after SIS going live.

 

Check in the RAM it says the following:

 

RAM 2011 (SIS version) – A9 3.3.

(e) Three months after migration to SIS the billing carrier can stop sending paper copies of their invoices and supporting document to the billed carrier. The billed carrier must download or print copies of the invoices issued by the billing carrier using the appropriate SIS facility.

 

 

Without all airlines joining SIS this will never work, or? And also on project kick off meeting (as far as I can remember) it was said that all airlines will have to join SIS, otherwise migrated carriers will have less benefit of SIS project. The whole procedure will not work if a carrier which I will or who will bill me is not member of SIS.

 

Can you please explain if my understanding is correct or not.

 

Thanks

Oliver (NIIT)



From:
Posted: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: Non-ICH via SIS generally ok?

Hi Claudia,
 
Regarding your questions:
 
- No, non-CH members can indeed join SIS and submit IS-format invoices. For the benefit of all readers, please find more details in the FAQ on the SIS website.

- Yes, you may send IS-IDEC to non-migrated non-CH members through SMI=B for bilateral settlement. However, please note these members will not receive any notification of the incoming invoices and therefore this exchange will need to be agreed bilaterally.
 
Best regards
Replied by Ashley H on 2011-06-22 14:30:01

Hi Oliver,

 

Please find the answers to your questions in blue below:

 

My understanding till now was, that all kind of paper invoices will be removed latest one year after SIS going live.

 

I assume you are referring to the Passenger and Cargo mandate date, which is indeed September 2012. From that date on, old IDEC will be discontinued and Passenger and Cargo must be billed via SIS. Hence – there will not be paper anymore.

 

Check in the RAM it says the following:

 

RAM 2011 (SIS version) – A9 3.3.

(e) Three months after migration to SIS the billing carrier can stop sending paper copies of their invoices and supporting document to the billed carrier. The billed carrier must download or print copies of the invoices issued by the billing carrier using the appropriate SIS facility.

 

This is a RAM rule for a migrated billing carrier to provide the paper invoice-listing-memos for 3 months after migrating.

Carriers on a bilateral and multilateral basis can supersede this rule (and most probably will do so).

 

Without all airlines joining SIS this will never work, or? And also on project kick off meeting (as far as I can remember) it was said that all airlines will have to join SIS, otherwise migrated carriers will have less benefit of SIS project. The whole procedure will not work if a carrier which I will or who will bill me is not member of SIS.

 

As mentioned above, SIS is mandated and not optional.  So all participants will have to join SIS if they want to settle with ICH or ACH.

Note: SIS also allows bilateral settled transactions.

 

Best regards
 
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